1932 Sunbeam 492cc Model 6 Lion. "Totally original and untouched" is how this bike is being described by Bonhams which, on 20th October 2019, will be auctioning it at its Stafford Sale. The estimate is £7,500 - £8,500. This long-stroking four-speed, hand-change sidevalve (77mm x 105.5mm) was introduced in 1930 and went on sale the following year. The price was £74. The previous Model 6 (introduced in 1921 and marketed as "The Speedman's Machine") featured a Druid front fork which was replaced by Webb girders. The Model 6 Lion's compression ratio was 5:1. The final-drive chain enjoyed a full oil bath which, no doubt, forced the exhaust system onto the left side. Brakes were ... well, minimal. But Sunbeam built well, and the Model 6—and subsequent stablemate, the 598cc Model 7—enjoyed their reputations as tough, well-finished and reliable workhorses for the sporting rider and the tradesman alike. The Model 6, incidentally, is said to be the last sidevalve to win the Senior TT (1922/Alec Bennett/58.31mph/3.53.02 ). The final Sunbeam sidevalves were built in 1939.


October 2019  Classic bike news

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One liners

Incoming: nuclear hype from BMW!!

Harrison OK-Supreme to auction

2019 Brighton Speed Trials date

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One liners

Peter Halsten Thorkelson: 1942 - 2019

Charterhouse February 2019 results

59 Club May ride-outs to St Paul's

Nippy Normans "handy" airline tool

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New classic car metal garage signs

2019 Kickback Show seeks sponsors

Bauer print sales take another dive

Australian cops speed camera poser

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Henry Cole wants your shed

London Classic Car Show 2019

Christopher Chope's FGM backlash

Albert Finney: 1936 - 2019

International Motobécane gathering

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Charterhouse Auctions reminder

Bud Ekins' Husqvarna MX360 Viking

2019 Bristol Classic Show postponed


Henry Cole's Motorbike Show returns

Oxford Bradwell wax cotton jacket

Norton Commando Winter Raffle

2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200 details

80 years of AMC with Colin Seeley

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A blue plaque for Rex McCandless

"Barn find" RE Constellation to sell

Kawasaki Zed series restoration manual

Bonhams Stafford Sale hits £3 million

Weise®  Boston Jeans tried & tested

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Star attractions at Barber Sale

Andy Tiernan 2019 charity calendar

Zhongneng buys Moto Morini

Bonhams Autumn Stafford preview

Charles Geoffrey Hayes: 1942 - 2018

Mark Wilsmore's bikes to auction

2019 Street Twin & Scrambler boost

Two Wheeled Tuesdays invitation

Bonhams Alexandra Palace Sept Sale

NextBase 312GW dashcam tested

Charles Nicholas Hodges

Suzuki Motorcycles from Veloce

2019 BMW R1250GS & R1250RT
Dudley Sutton: 1933 - 2018 

Oxford Products Kickback Shirt

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Moto Guzzi V9 Bobber Sport unveiled

Burton Leon Reynolds: 1936 - 2018

Comet Classics Open Day

H&H Auctions seeking consignments

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Motus Motorcycles is bust


June 2018 Classic Bike News

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Trump & Harley-Davidson toe to toe

"Governator's" Harley-Davidson sold

Car Builder Solutions recommended

Dirtquake VII 2018 at Arena Essex
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Mecum Auctions at Monterey 2018
H&H NMM auction shapes up further
Chris Chope gets 'em in a twist
Daniel David Kirwan: 1950 - 2018
Reg Allen Motorcycles is closing
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World Motorcycle Rally 2018
Glynn Edwards: 1931 - 2018
Den Hartogh Museum Sale
Grip-Tite Sockets, tried & tested
Donald Trump's US trade war starts


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The Daily Not News

IOM jaywalker in the hoosegow

Rare Norton Hi-Rider to auction

Clint Walker: 1927 - 2018

Ducati Museum Hailwood exhibition

Tougher protection for cops mooted

One liners

New London-Brighton Run route

April 2018 Classic Bike News

Bonhams Spring Stafford results

Royal Enfield Interceptor NMM raffle

60th International Motor Scooter Rally

New Honda "Monkey Bike" for 2018

Carole Nash's dangerous roads

An Austin Anthology from Veloce

Bonhams Stafford Sale reminder

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Bradford Dillman: 1930 - 2018

Stolen Vincent Comet & BSA Bantam
Spirit of '59 Triumph Bonnevilles
We've been adrift, but we're back in port

Autonomous Tesla claims a cyclist

Motor insurance premiums fall

March 2018 Classic Bike News

Watsonian's GP700 & Indian Chief

Bonhams Stafford Sale April 2018

One liners

We Ride London new demo date

Dee Atkinson & Harrison March Sale

Bull-it Men's SR6 Cargo trousers

Franklin's Indians: Veloce Reprint

One Liners

Kenneth Arthur Dodd: 1927 - 2018

Carole Nash Google Petition

New Musical Express is out of print

1954 500cc Triumph-Matchless chop

1,800 bike collection to be auctioned

Art Exhibition at Sammy Miller's

2018 Cardiff Classic Motorcycle Show

John Lennon's monkey bike: £57,500

One liners

This day in history

February 2018 Classic Bike News

Foscam Wireless Camera system

Pioneer Run eBook: now £2.99

Oxford Clamp On brake lever clip

One liners

2018 Curtiss Warhawk unveiled

Here's the latest bike scam attempt

George Beale appointed H&H director

Next Kickback Show 7-8th April 2018

"Alley Rat" - 2018 UK BOTK winner

One liners

Defeat the online scammers with Skype

Triumph Hurricane scammer alert

CCM Spitfire-based Bobber for 2018

Cafe Racer Dreams: 8 bikes stolen

Coys' Feb 2018 London Excel Auction

Thieves ransom Triumph Thunderbird

Harley-Davidson recalls 251,000 bikes

"Police biker" banker convicted

Bringsty Grand Prix Revival 2018

Two new Weise wax cotton jackets

Murderous solicitor is still on the books

£7k - £10k Triumph 'X-75 Hurricane'

Retro wireless GPS speedometer

"Anvil Motociclette...

2018 Triumph Speed Triples launched

Royal Enfield Flying Flea stolen

Brühl Twin Turbine Motorcycle Dryer

January 2018 Classic Bike News

Laser Power Bar Extension Wrench

One liners

Harley-Davidson quits Kansas City

Online traffic accident reporting plan

Silverstone Auctions February 2018

12th Annual Dania Beach Show

Black Lightning sells for $929,000

Online motorcycle scammer alert

One liners

AJS Tempest Scrambler for 2018

Charterhouse's February 2018 sale

Can anyone add info on this rider?

HJC FG-70s Aries Yellow helmet

One liners

Peter Wyngarde: 1927 (ish) - 2018

Death Machines of London - Airforce

Lancaster Insurance; reality check

One liners

"Fast" Eddie Clarke: 1950 - 2018

Bonhams' Las Vegas Sale reminder

Ban on credit/bank card charges

December 2017 Classic Bike News

Information on this picture wanted

Levis Motorcycles set for comeback?

One Liners

Oops, we screwed up [again - Ed]

H&H December 2017 sale at the NMM

Immortal Austin Seven from Veloce

Triumph T140V for sale: 237km

Irresponsible journalism from MCN?
Hagon Triumph Bobber mono-shock
Bruce Alan Brown: 1937 - 2017

MCN closes its biker forum

Arm rural UK coppers suggestion

Bought a Sump T-shirt? Check your email...

Falling bike sales, 11 straight months

Triumph Birmingham is set to close

New electric black taxi breaks cover

Semi naked girl straddles an Indian!!

November 2017 Classic Bike News

Riding Japan; new touring website

British motor racing anniversary day

Triumph T140 restoration guide

Ratchet handle taps & dies - Chronos

White Helmet Triumphs reach £12K

H&H's first timed automobilia auction

Goldtop £50 off gloves—limited offer

London pillion rider ban idea

Ford Design in the UK - Veloce

Thruxton Track Racer Kit offer

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New Davida "Koura" full face helmet

One liners

NMM BSA Gold Star winner details

Norton 650 twin scrambler planned

RE travel book: Hit the Road, Jac!

Stoneleigh Kickback Show April 2017

Brough Superior Pendine racer

One liners

H-D Battle of the Kings 2017 winner

New Royal Enfield 650 twins launched

NMM's 2018 Speedmaster prize

Meriden Off Road Tiger Cubs

One liners

Andy Tiernan's 2018 calendar

Scrappage scheme classic car poser

Norton launches the California

Scooter gangs face new response

One liners

September 2017 Classic Bike News

Bobby Vee: 1943 - 2016
EX-WD 500cc BSA WM20: £6,325
Essential autojumble sweatshirts
Mahindra has bought the BSA brand
Dave Cash: 1942 - 2016
BSA M20 "Blueprints" back in stock

New BSA M20 "Blueprint" T-shirt

VMCC Pip Squeak Run April 2016
Ed "Stewpot" Stewart: 1941 - 2016
Calling British spares manufacturers
Stupid biker gives away his KTM 690
Festival of Motorcycling autojumble

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2020 Triumph Street Triple RS


Triumph Street Triple RS for 2020


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675cc middleweight roadster gets a timely (or is that overdue?) upgrade

The price is likely to be around £10,300


Triumph Motorcycles has revamped the already very successful Street Triple RS and will be landing them on British beaches in the very near future. Much of the new bike is however the same as the old, albeit with numerous styling tweaks and revisions. But Triumph at least feels it's done enough to please the old guard and lure a few more new recruits. So what do you say?


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Bonhams at Barber: "$1.13m total"


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Barber Motorsport Museum Sale hailed as a success

The top selling lot was a 1910 Flying Merkel


We haven't checked the all numbers. Life's too short, and there are bikes to be ridden and beer to be drunk. So wisely or unwisely, we're taking Bonhams press release at face value. And what this long established international auction house is saying is that the firm's sale at the Barber Motorsports Museum, Birmingham, Alabama on 5th October 2019 topped out at $1.13m (around £830,000) with a sell-through rate of 80%.


But it's worth noting that some of the headline lots didn't find buyers. One such item was Lot 155, a 1940 Crocker Big Tank which was estimated to sell at $495,000 - $595,000 (£400,000 - £480,000). The other was Lot 152, a 1949 998cc Vincent Black Shadow Series C estimated at $110,000 - $130,000 (£89,000 - £100,000) [check here for more on those bikes].


Meanwhile, the top selling lot was the above and below 1910 884cc Flying Merkel V-twin (Lot 158). Joseph Merkel (1872 - 1958) founded the short-lived company in 1902. A largely self-taught mechanical engineer, Merkel was nothing if not an innovator, a gifted draughtsman, and a pioneer of motorcycle design.



Based in Milwaukee, he began his business at the turn of the 20th century by designing, developing and manufacturing components for the bicycle industry. That venture led in 1902 to the creation of his first motorcycles.


These 4-stroke, IOE (inlet over exhaust) air-cooled singles were simple, rugged and badged under the "Merkel" name. Rated at 2.5hp, the 314cc, IOE, F-head singles had no transmission and featured a direct belt drive with no clutch or brakes. And interestingly, the bikes used the front down tube of the frame as the exhaust header (Merkel wasn't the only motorcycle manufacturer to do this, note).


Development was rapid, and three more F-heads followed until in 1907 Merkel launched an IOE inline-four. This chain-driven prototype was well thought out, but expensive to produce and never saw volume production. A 441cc racer followed in 1909. And that same year, a 997cc V-twin was unveiled. This 87.63mm x 82.55mm set the pace and tone for future Merkel V-twins. Soon enough "mechanical" (i.e. cam-operated) inlet and exhaust valves were introduced (as opposed to atmospheric inlets).



Meanwhile, the Merkel Motor Co (1902-1908) was subsumed into The Light Manufacturing Co of Pottsdown, Pennsylvania. Trading as the The Merkel Light Motor Co, this firm continued until 1912 when The Miami Cycle Manufacturing & Co of Ohio took the helm.


During this era, the various companies created dozens of motorcycle designs, from singles to V-twins—and reputedly also a tricycle. Merkel also built a large number of cars (around 150 is the usual quoted figure).


The bikes were priced at around $155 - $185 for the singles. The V-twins cost somewhere between $240 and $285. The final bikes featured a two-speed gearbox, chain drive, and a right-side kickstarter. The later V-twins, incidentally, were offered in two engine capacities: 885cc and 1,000cc.


From the early days the bikes been active on the racetracks, and thanks to their superior build quality, and (it's said) their German made engine ball bearings (as opposed to the more usual bronze bushings), the bikes were winners rather than losers. Novel front and rear suspension, efficient cam designs, high-quality materials and that near iconic looped frame all added to the potent Merkel brew.



The marketing men at this point decided that the product name needed a revamp, and so it became The Flying Merkel. And to make the bikes highly visible on the roads and race tracks, someone suggested the bright orange livery which became part of the brand trademark and identity.


The company continued to develop its product and notched-up numerous feats of endurance and prowess that were highly publicised. But the market was contracting and rationalising, and by 1917 the USA had entered the First World War. Consequently, manufacturing was given over to the munitions industry and suchlike. And when the hostilities ended, the days of the Flying Merkel were over.


Joseph Merkel continued his involvement with motorcycle design, and he took an interest in the wider politics of motorcycles, notably with regard to general usage, road safety and motorcycle taxation. But his days of motorcycle manufacture were, sadly, done. And today, Merkels and Flying Merkels are highly sought after, especially those that carry original paint and satisfactory provenance.


Early marketing blurb tells us:


"The company rightfully played up build-quality in its showroom brochures, telling prospective buyers, "In presenting The Flying Merkel we believe we are offering you the world's finest motorcycle. No effort or expense has been spared to place The Flying Merkel on the top rung of mechanical achievement and it is today, without doubt, America's premier machine for comfort, speed and reliability. It is a machine to depend upon – a machine whose reliability is a thousand times a proven fact."


We wouldn't argue with that.


Joseph Merkel was by no means the only American motorcycle pioneer. But he was certainly one of the most prolific and inventive, and he gave the likes of Excelsior, Indian and Harley-Davidson much to think about.



The Oct 2019 Barber Motorsports' Flying Merkel


The 1910 Flying Merkel 884cc Twin (images further above) has been built "largely from an original and complete bike". So read what you will into that. It features front and rear suspension (the former being courtesy of hidden springs in the headstock; a design that other manufacturers used on their own machines). The engine number is: V 2857.


The bike was estimated at $150,000. But it sold for $100,000 (£79,252), no doubt largely due to its incomplete history.


Note that in October 2014 Bonhams sold a 1914 V-Twin Flying Merkel for  £104,540 (around $130,000). That was at the Stafford Sale.



Other headline results


Lot 159: 1913 Thor Single (believed unrestored): $51,750

Lot 153: 1951 Vincent Black Shadow Series C: $54,050

Lot 145: 1955 Vincent Black Shadow Series D: $46,000

Lot 146: 1952 Vincent Black Shadow Series C: $40,250

Lot 159: c1968 Egli Vincent: $37,950

Lot 126: 1913 James 4¼ combination: $27,600.
Lot 165: 1970 Husqvarna 250 Cross (ex-Bruce Brown): $18,400




Having since taken a longer, more in-depth look at this auction, we think there's very distinct evidence of further cooling in the market—certainly as far as this sale is concerned.


For instance, check the following:


Lot 209: 1976 Triumph 750cc T140V Bonneville, $3,680 (£2,916)

Lot 208: 1969 Triumph 749cc T150 Trident, $7,475 (£5,924)

Lot 210: 1963 Triumph 650cc TR6SR, $5,520 (£4,374)

Lot 163: 1930 Harley-Davidson VL Combination: $16,675 (£13,215)



All these bikes look to be in reasonably good order, and all sold for at least 20 percent less than they might have just a few years ago. The 650cc Bonnie, meanwhile, looks to be 30 - 40 percent lower. Beyond that, there's a lot of other British stuff that either didn't sell, or sold for very low money.


We're less sure about the other stuff. The Jap bikes look to have held up reasonably well (albeit from a low base), but we think the Ducatis are down. However, these are merely subjective impressions. We're generally stronger on the Brit and Yankee stuff (pricewise) than on the European or Japanese bikes. Best check the Bonhams site for yourself and see if you agree.


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Brightona 2019



Brightona 2019 "Needs your help"


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Troubled charity event needs to bolster its finances

No entry fee (as such), but a £5 donation is expected


Check the above poster and you'll see that the next Brightona show is scheduled for 13th October 2019. As the name suggests, the venue is Brighton, East Sussex. Specifically, on Madeira Drive.


If you're not familiar with Brightona, it's a charity based motorcycle show offering all the things you might expect at such a gathering. It's manned (and womanned) by volunteers, and we're advised that two years of poor weather has hit the finances hard. Actually, the organisers are now in the red, and they'd like to get back into the black and thereby keep the event viable.



Ultimately, it all comes down to visitor numbers. There's no entry charge as such. But if you attend, you're asked to provide a £5 donation (which will earn you a pin badge). The Sussex Heart Charity will be the recipient of your largess/generosity—no doubt after the bills have been paid. And we're not suggesting any impropriety here. Far from it. These events, even with volunteer help, always have costs to consider; costs such as advertising, public liability insurance, erecting the event stages, show programmes, sound systems and suchlike.


So if you're looking for something to do and somewhere to go on the 13th of this month, give Brightona some consideration if you will. The 13th, incidentally, is a Sunday.


We don't have any connection with the show, by the way. But we like to support a "healthy" (meaning varied and independent) motorcycle lifestyle scene, and we've got no reason not to support this one.




Update: Maybe some of you Sumpsters could re-post this story on your website or Facebook page or whatever, or just give this show a mention.



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"Holy Davidson" blessed for Stafford


Story snapshot:

Custom H-D to be auctioned

Frank the Pope bloke is "doing it for charity"


Our first reaction was that this was a wind-up. Something to do with a new Monty Python's Flying Circus series maybe. Or maybe it was Donald Trump firing off a little fake news of his own. Or maybe we were still tucked up in bed with our teddies and having another stupid dream.


But no. It's all true. Sadly. The above Harley-Davidson custom has been "blessed" by "His Holiness Pope Francis" and will be auctioned at the forthcoming Bonhams' Sale at Stafford (20th October 2019). The proceeds will be "donated to the Pontifical Mission Societies". The Harley is expected to sell for anything between £50,000 - £100,000.


The bike, we hear, is called ‘White Unique’, which is an interesting moniker is these racially sensitive times. A guy named Dr Thomas Draxler of the Jesus Bikers group from Austria dreamed up this one, possibly with his own teddy in arms.


Then Bavarian Harley Davidson dealer, Würzburg Village, supplied the motorcycle and "collaborated with the Jesus Bikers on its customisation".

The machine is "finished in pearlescent white, with Chicano (Mexican American) style detailing, numerous gold-plated components, a Dorne wreath ornament, a sunken cross and Pope Francis’ signature on the tank." The press release carried some other notes on this bike, but nothing that's worth repeating.


It's not the first time a motorcycle has been blessed by the pope and flogged off to help the starving/under-privileged masses. We'd almost forgotten that (some things you really don't want to remember). But in 2014, a "holy" H-D FXDC sold for €241,500, also courtesy of Bonhams.



Now call us cynical if you must (and we've been called that once or twice), but it must be manifestly clear to anyone with even a tiny nugget of rationality and independent thinking that organised religion is the nastiest, most insidious, most odious form of mental and emotional slavery the world has ever seen.


Never mind Joe Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Adolf Hitler and Attilla the Bloody Hun, it's the long succession of pontiffs, imams, rabbis and other religious leaders who have caused the greatest misery to the human race. Why any government in the 21st century still tolerates the rampant social manipulation of these overblown, over-indulged cults [did we spell that right?—Ed] is a mystery.


We've been told for years that God rides a Harley. We'll this one is about as close to that questionable assertion as you're likely to get. The Pope has conspired with Bonhams to raise some dosh for charity (and yes, we know that "conspire" is a loaded word). Pity "his holiness" didn't also think of unloading some catholic gold and property. That should help fill a few bloated bellies.



Of course, people are apt to hang on to their religion until the bitter end, and we've all witnessed the number of misguided souls who have done exactly that, often with a suicide belt around their waists, an AK in their hands, or with some other instrument of death carving a bloody message to their god.


Ultimately it all comes down to one thing; people believe in the almighty because they're going to die. God is simply a bogus insurance policy designed to comfort the weak minded and convince them that life actually has some meaning and that there is an ultimate redemption. Which there probably isn't. As we've said before, if the religious people of the world knew they were never going to die (perhaps through the less than divine intervention of some weird science), would they still believe in God?


Answer? No. There wouldn't be any point.



We were thinking of knocking up a few of these T-shirts for anyone else who shares our disdain/contempt for organised religion. If we get any interest, we'll print a few. Until then, keep praying. Billions of people swear by it, especially the meek, the poor, the suffering and the under-educated.



Meanwhile, society collectively maintains the nasty masquerade that grovelling in front of Frank the Pope is, at least as far as the world's Catholics are concerned, the next best thing to grovelling in front of the almighty. We're so used to this charade that we don't even question it anymore. And all the organised religions have their peculiar grovelling routines and similar self-deceptions.


Religion is one thing. Bring it on if you're desperate. We don't have a problem with private spirituality. But organised religion is something else, and we think it shames Bonhams to have anything to do with this project.


However, £50k - £100k is a lot of moolah, and there's commission on that. And of course, it's all being done for charity—and when you bring out the big charity guns, you can blow any argument to hell.


Are we right?




In my day they called them village idiots. The ones with bikes were
called motorcyclists and they just liked motorcycles.
—The Village Squire

I thought Sump was supposed to be about motorcycles, not religion. Don't need your opinions about religion even though I may agree. —Graham Hibbs [Hi Graham. 1. Sump isn’t a motorcycle magazine, as such. It’s a magazine for motorcyclists. There’s a difference. Check it out and you’ll see that we cover a lot of fringe stuff. 2. This is a story about motorcycles; motorcycles and religion. We’ve simply commented on the fact that religion is being used to auction a bike. 3. We did post a flashing warning sign. 4. If you don’t want to read our opinion, then don’t read it. Look elsewhere on the web. Does that clarify things?—Ed]

It must be odd to be a believer. One can be as unkind and cruel as possible, then ask your god for forgiveness, and presumably get it, then go ahead and do it again. If a good god created everything, why create pain and misery for all animals including us? Religion is for people who need a crutch, and perhaps we all do from time to time. The trouble is that some people use the crutch to inflict pain on others. An interesting thought is to compare religion with conscience. One's conscience tells us to protect what is dear to us. When I was young in WW2 I remember in church praying to god to help us kill the Germans—and thinking that little boys in Germany would be praying to the same god to help them kill us.
— Marten Harwood.

There we go. I’ve asked you to keep me in touch with your “magazine” whenever it hits the newsstands, or whatever it hits. The piece on religion and the Pope’s bleedin’ Harley was superb, by the way. It reminded me of Mark Williams (?) and the first editions of “Bike” which appeared in the early 70s and seemed totally anarchic at the time compared to everything else that was on offer. But I did subscribe to Motorcycle Sport from the age of 15 in 1965 and that had some superb contributors like Titch Allen and Phil Heath. Then they added “and Leisure” onto the title and it went downhill pretty quickly. Anyway, I’m prattling. Thank you.—Frank Chapman.

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Tacita T-Cruise Urban

New Tacita T-Cruise Urban. 11kW - 40kW. €10k - €19k. 70 - 137mile range

New Triumph Rocket 3 R & Rocket 3 GT. Available from early spring 2020.

"Low-emission" EVs encourage UK government 80mph speed limit rethink

2020 Yamaha MT-03 321cc

Yamaha revises 321cc MT-03. 42bhp. Inverted fork. Available UK Dec 2019

Driverless Ford Mondeos being trialled in East London. £13.6m program

Young drivers urged to share dash-cam info with parents for improved safety

Zero rated "road tax" EVs; government warned revenues to fall by £billions


Andy Tiernan 2020 calendar. £10 UK (inc P&P). £15 Europe. £17 world


Call me old fashioned (and many probably will) but these bikes [Tacita T-Cruise Urban] powered by batteries and fancy washing machine motors will, I feel, never deliver the rush I get from my BSA Gold Star and my other old bikes powered by I.C.E. technology. They need to produce some exhaust noise, have an aroma generator' that makes a smell of warm oil and a styling job that doesn't look like something from 'Flash Gordon', which the cruiser version does to my eye. Sensory input is largely what riding bikes is all about and it goes much further than just moving, whatever the speed. As for the range of 137 miles? I don't think touring will ever be an option.—The Village Squire

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Mecum Las Vegas: consigning now


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1,750 motorcycle lots under the hammer

Three (minor) collections are on the schedule


The date is 21st - 26th January 2019. The place is South Point Hotel & Casino, 9777 Las Vegas Blvd S Las Vegas, NV 89183. The event is Mecum Auctions 29th Annual Vintage & Antique Motorcycle Auction—which is a bit misleading because many, if not most of the lots, are neither vintage nor antique. But they are either classics or modern classics, and as usual there's a lot of interesting stuff on the schedule.


We're still perusing the list however, and have paused to take a closer look at Lot R303, a 1950 Norvin billed as a Vincent-Norton (images immediately below).


Marketed by Mecum as the "ultimate cafe racer", the bike has apparently been in the care of the same owner since 1968. Aside from the obvious 998cc Vincent V-twin engine and the Featherbed frame, the features include a "fresh" engine, Grimeca 4-leading shoe front stoppers, flat-side carburettors, an electronic ignition, "modern pistons", a "modern clutch", and a 12-volt alternator.


1950 Norvin


1950 Vincent-Norton


1950 Vincent-Norton speedometer


If it's of interest to anyone, the frame number is J12258184. The engine number is F10AB16607. We like this bike for its timeless simplicity, and we note that as with many, if not most Mecum lots, there's no reserve.


Mecum has listed the Norvin as one of its star bikes, and we agree. Some bikes are just right. This feels like an everyday, rideable, and not-too-precious machine.


Meanwhile, we're looking at Lot W95 (images below) which is a 1942 Indian Scout 741. No special reason for eyeballing this one, except that we like Indians (especially Scouts), and we like bikes that you can park up against a fence or hide in a hedge or something. Also, we suspect this bike is an ex-military machine which would explain the military air cleaner, and there might be some history worth exploring.


Indian produced around 30,000 of these 741 Scouts during WW2. Officially listed as the 741B, the bikes were used by American, British and Commonwealth armies. In fact, if you were in the battlefield and saw an Indian motorcycle coming at you from way in the distance (as if you could tell it was an Indian) you could bet your soldier buddies that it was a 741B, and 9 times out of 10 you'd win the bet.


Good handling and reliable, the 741 was a popular mount. Typically, the bikes were quickly picked up post war by young men looking for (relatively) high speed thrills, and more than a handful saw action on the travelling Wall of Death shows that criss-crossed the American and European continents. Chopper builders picked up hundreds or thousands of others.


Interestingly, this 500cc (30.5ci) sidevalve V-twin carries the following piece of guidance: "Purchases by a NV [Nevada] Resident or NV Dealer are on a Bill of Sale for display purposes only. Not for highway or public road use."


1942 Indian 741 Scout


1942 Indian 741 Scout - ex-military


Hmm. But we've been studying the enlarged pictures and there doesn't seem to be much wrong with it, structurally speaking. So re-commissioning shouldn't be too difficult given the generally good availability of Indian spares. There's no reserve. The bike, incidentally, comes from one of three collections:


The Stephen Ross Estate Collection

Eclectic mix including Indians, H-Ds plus a couple of old Brits


The Len Fitch Collection

Seven bikes, mostly Japanese sports machines


The Hamilton Triumph Motorcycle Collection

Trumpets from 1912 - 1977, including a nice little 250cc XO
(image immediately below)







There's really not much more to say here until we've had a more complete look at the catalogue. Meanwhile, check it out for yourself if you're hankering for something new (or is that old?) and different. Given the current slightly depressed motorcycle trading market in both the US and the UK, we think there could be a few bargains here. And importing into the UK isn't all that hard to do.


Later, etc.





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September 2019




I enjoy glancing at your website and appreciate your digging around the world of the motorcycling underbelly but please think twice before Political Graffiti drags you towards the BREXIT bunch. If we need Boris news there's plenty to be found. Sump seems to me to be a place where those with a shared interest in 2 wheels can find interesting titbits and fascinating stories. Please keep Boris and BREXIT off the site, whatever your opinion. We're not reading SUMP for that. —Phil Cowley, Hants.

Editor's note: Hi Phil, thanks for that. However, we often feature political news and comments, particularly with our Political Graffiti items – and we’ve got no plans to change that. Sump isn’t a motorcycle magazine; it's a magazine for motorcyclists. Everything affects everything else in one way or another, and the Brexit debacle is affecting us all. If you don’t like the story or our slant, turn the page. Simple. I suspect, however, that you think we’re supporting Boris, which we’re not. We're simply highlighting the fact that Westminster has an agenda that's completely out of step with the electorate. It's currently on a savage fox hunt looking for blood, and Boris is the fox. We're making a pertinent and timely critique of the slanted political system and the rampant media bias. It's not an endorsement of Boris Johnson, per se. Beyond that, when you eat a free lunch, you shouldn't complain about what's on the menu.

Personally I like the addition of items that don't necessarily involve
motorcycles on the Sump pages. On occasion I'll be singing off the same
sheet that the published comments come from. At other times I won't
agree, but it's all food for thought. Varied content makes the entire
experience more interesting generally, and items that really don't hit
the spot can simply be ignored. Easy.
—The Village Squire

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Speed Twin & Thunderbird Bible

Ex-Meriden Triumph staffer, author & scrambler Harry Woolridge dies, 88

Reminder: 6th October 2019. Copdock Bike Show (see Sump events page)

IOM firm Freedom Travel collapses. TT visitors check your bookings

Surrey police successfully deploy "DNA spray" to tackle anti-social riders

London Motorcycle Museum closes 7th October 2019. 80+ bikes to auction

John Page at Sprockets Unlimited has died. Future of the business unclear

New 2020 765 Triumph Street Triple set to launch in October 2019


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Barber Motorsports Museum auction


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5th October 2019 is the date

A cool Crocker and Ten Vincents are going under the hammer


Bonhams will be hosting another sale at the Barber Motorsports Museum in Birmingham, Alabama USA on 5th October 2019. The headline lot (Lot 155) is a 1940 Crocker Big Tank (see image immediately below) which is estimated to sell at $495,000 - $595,000 (£400,000 - £480,000).


The bike, we hear, was formerly the property of ex-Crocker employee Elmo Looper who in his day was renowned as a highly skilled machinist and cam grinder par excellence. Looper worked for Crocker during WW2 when the factory had ceased producing bikes and turned over production to Douglas aircraft parts.


1940 Crocker Big Tank


But Elmo, a member of the noted 13 Rebels motorcycle club,  was very much a biker, and post war involved himself in the repair and maintenance of Crocker motorcycles. Actually, it was far more than that. When Albert Crocker decided to focus on industrial engineering, Looper bought the remaining Crocker factory stock and in doing so kept existing bikes on the road and maintained the sputtering flame. As a result, in some circles his name is almost synonymous with Albert Crocker. Certainly, there would be far fewer Crocker bikes on the road today had not Looper put his shoulder to these particular wheels.


However, he too would forego motorcycle repair and engineering in favour of other industrial diversions (notably within the printing trade), and eventually he sold the bike and moved on, both literally and figuratively speaking.


The bike, one of 30 Big Tanks, has enjoyed a fairly chequered history since Looper's ownership. After a serious crash, it travelled west to east across the USA, then languished for many years whilst awaiting the right person to come along and bring it back to life.


1940 Crocker Big Tank - primary side


1940 Crocker Big Tank foot board


1940 Crocker Big Tank - tank badge


The present owner bought the bike in 2004 and spent around 15 years sourcing the parts and the skills needed to recreate this forlorn example of Al Crocker's handiwork.


All the parts were either new or NOS, or were recreated components by noted and approved Crocker experts. For all that, however, there are still a few jobs that need sorting, including an oil leak, a clutch problem, some flaking chrome and the faded paintwork.


We quote direct from Bonhams:


"In the past Buchannan's Frame Shop had spliced two frames together to come up with a straight-and-true foundation for the project, and a replica fork assembly commissioned from Gordon Salisbury was attached. Mike Lange rebuilt the engine and gearbox, using Carrillo connecting rods in the former and NOS gears in the latter. A cast-aluminum toolbox, complete with inset Crocker logo, is from a batch of 50 made by Richard Morris using original blueprints. So too, the lovely cast-aluminum [aluminium] gas/oil tanks are reproductions from Crocker Toronto. Restoration ace Steve Huntzinger crafted the gas and oil caps. Chuck Vogel supplied the repop fenders that dropped perfectly into place. Chuck Vernon, Daniel Statnekov and Mike Madden, among others, chipped in with various NOS parts."


Meanwhile, Bonhams is advising prospective purchasers to satisfy themselves regarding the provenance of this motorcycle—which in no way should be treated as a special warning regarding this bike. It certainly looks and feels right, but half a million spondulix is way too much money to part company with without studying the small print and asking some searching historical questions.


1949 998cc Vincent Black Shadow Series C


▲ Lot 152, 1949 998cc Vincent Black Shadow Series C. The estimate is $110,000 - $130,000 (£89,000 - £100,000). This bike has been "restored to 1949 Earls Court Motorcycle Show specification", but it's not clear if this machine was actually at the show or carries an especially newsworthy history (but it certainly appears to have had a chequered past).



Moving on, we see that there are also no less than ten Vincent motorcycles on offer including four complete Black Shadows (Series C and D bikes); one Egli; two Comets; and three project Vinnies (a Black Prince, a Black Shadow and a Rapide)


We've counted 215 lots in total, including the [1921] "Dodge City 300 Mile" print (Lot 1) by noted artist Robert Carter (top of this news story). Featuring a Harley-Davidson flat tanker, this 36" x 55"  canvas print is number 1 or 25 examples. And there are a few more worthy of your attention.


As ever, we'll be studying the other lots and will flag anything that strikes us as interesting or newsworthy.





UPDATE: Neither the Crocker (Lot 155) or the Vincent (Lot 152) sold.



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Kickback Show Sept 2019 update


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Cheltenham Town Hall (GL50 1QA) is the venue

The organiser expects slight door delays


If you're travelling to the Kickback Show on Saturday 21st September 2019, and if you haven't bought an advance ticket or tickets, we've been advised by the organiser that you could spend a little longer than usual at the gate.


The event has been booked to near capacity and a scrum is expected for this increasingly popular show. Apparently there is a bar, but that might not be a lot of use if you're on a bike or driving—unless you want to hang around sipping coke or orange juice and eating peanuts.


That said, this gathering at Cheltenham Town Hall is likely to reveal some very interesting examples of the custom bike builder's art, so stay on target and be patient if you can. You will get in. Just expect a brief hang up or two.


Online tickets are/were £8. The gate price for adults is £10. The doors open at 11am and close at 5pm.





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French MPs vote to scrap breathalysers for foreigners


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The law is still in force

Stay equipped for now


First the French government voted to mandate on-board breathalysers for tourists in France. That was in 2013.


Then President Francois Hollande decided to scrap the €11 fine but keep the law on the books. And now the French government has indicated that it wants to revoke the law—at least as far as Johnny Foreigner is concerned.


There's still something of a political fog surrounding this issue, and no doubt clarification will emerge. But at the moment, it looks as if bikers and drivers travelling in or through France will soon not have to carry any form of breath-test kit.


Why the change of heart? Apparently it was simply because the law was serving no purpose and saw no reduction in drink-drive incidents. So the French, to their credit, have decided to undo what was done—or is this really about a fall in tourism?


We haven't any figures in that regard. But experience suggests that behind any given reason, there's often another silent reason lurking.


Meanwhile, keep a watch on this issue because technically the law is still in force until it's officially declared null and void, etc—and French cops are nothing if not a capricious bunch.


And remember that riders and drivers are still required to carry other roadside emergency equipment including reflective vests, a warning triangle, spare bulbs and an approved medical kit.


UPDATE: We've just checked, and France is actually claiming a 3% increase in tourists between 2017 and 2018. Around 90 million visitors currently annually enjoy French hospitality. Nevertheless, there might still be another reason for undoing the breathalyser law for foreigners.



Hi, the figures for tourists I see are for last year. I normally travel to [mainland] Europe 3 or 4 times a year. Due to the uncertainty over Brexit, I haven’t travelled there at all this year due to not knowing how difficult it will be to travel. Maybe I am not the only one, and many others are playing the waiting game and now the French have realised that maybe our money was worth having after all. I’m not holding my breath though.—Ian

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Festival of Jurby


Classic TT Festival of Jurby cancelled


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Indefinite suspension of this popular Isle of Man event

VMCC cites rising costs and increased bureaucracy


One of the highlights of the annual Classic TT is the Festival of Jurby. The event, which has been running for 10 years, invariably happens between the two race days and is an extravaganza of vintage, veteran and classic motorcycles centred around the Jurby Motordrome on the North Island.


Organised by the VMCC, around 10,000 visitors are claimed for this gathering. But it's now been cancelled until further notice, which could be permanently.


VMCC Isle of Man Section secretary Gary Corlett said:


"We are seeing heavier regulation come into effect, and responsibilities grow to surpass the capability of the small team that organises the event. Keeping riders safe is our utmost concern and in the current climate we were facing additional uncertainties with insurance for any non-Manx riders given changes to EU medical cards. Consequently, and pending professional advice, the committee has reluctantly, and with regret, decided to suspend the festival until further notice.


"The VMCC has always looked at ways to promote the island’s strong history with motorcycling and the tremendous machines many of our members lovingly restore and care for, and for the past decade the Festival of Jurby has celebrated this perfectly. Our commitment to promoting vintage motorbikes remains as strong as ever, and the committee will be continuing with the many events we organise throughout the year, including the Manx Rally. However this is a perfect time to reflect and refocus our efforts to look at new events."


None of that sounds very hopeful as far as the Festival of Jurby is concerned. But it's worth remembering that this event brings a lot of money to the island, and the islanders are well aware of this fact.


So is this simply the VMCC firing a warning shot hoping to change the underlying rules, regulations and other financial burdens? We don't know, and we won't speculate further.


We've contacted the VMCC for clarification and we asked this question. But at present it seems that the news hasn't cooled sufficiently for others to touch it and explore the wider implications. However we are advised that the Classic TT racing is unaffected and will continue as usual. We're told that it's simply the Jurby Festival that been cancelled.


We tried to speak directly to Gary Corlett, but he wasn't available.






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Richard Gere's T140 Triumph Bonneville

Richard Gere's movie T140 for sale


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Remember the film: An Officer and a Gentleman?

This 750cc Triumph Bonneville is about to be auctioned


Remember the 1982 movie An Officer and a Gentleman? We do. Vaguely, anyway. It's one of those films that was over-hyped, and that pretty much put us off bothering to watch it until the excitement died. Same thing with Jaws (1975) and Close Encounters (1977) —although we eventually got the popcorn and coke out and watched them all.


An Officer and a Gentleman, you might recall, featured a 33-year old Gere playing "Zack Mayo" in this US military aviation macho yarn with a romantic/dramatic sub plot, etc. But all we really remember is Gere warming the saddle of a Triumph twin—and even then, we had the vague notion that the bike was a 500cc Daytona or similar.


However, the bike was in fact a 750cc 1978 Triumph Bonneville T140. It was one of two examples used in the film. The motorcycles were supplied by Dewey's Cycles in Seattle, Washington USA, and this one will go under the hammer at the Icons and Legends of Hollywood Sale on 25th - 26th September 2019 organised by Profiles in History.


Actually, it looks as if it's already been under someone's hammer and arguably hasn't been sufficiently cherished to warrant the $20,000 - $30,000 price expectation. There's rust sprouting here and there, notably on the front disc. The tail lamp is broken. The left side tank badge is half adrift. The chrome has some pitting. And apparently there are two tabs welded to the frame somewhere which have been used to suspend the bike from a ceiling or something. Nothing too serious, mind, and relatively cheap fixes.


Meanwhile, it looks like a mostly complete and original T140, and Richard Gere's association is bound to add a premium to this machine—claimed to be one of the most iconic bikes in movie history. We'll be watching to see what happens on the day, but we won't be reaching for the credit card. It's listed as Lot 526.




Moving on, we see that the Russian Dnepr combination used in the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1984) starring Harrison Ford and Sean Connery is also looking for a new garage. The bike, a 1988 model, was decked up to look like a WW2 German BMW, and it plays the part reasonably convincingly (and certainly more convincingly than Connery playing Ford's dad).



Steven Spielberg (left) giving directions to Sean Connery and Harrison Ford. With a name like Jones, you'd think Ford's dad would have been a Welshman. And that's not the same bike as the other one featured here. But check the text and you'll see that more than one was used. Still, you might want to have a closer examination of the provenance...



The Dnepr is one of three such outfits used in the film. It's also been knocked around a little, which is perhaps a minor miracle considering how many props are generally wrecked in the Indian Jones franchise.


Expectations are running high for this one (at least as far as the auctioneers are concerned). The company is hoping for $40,000 - $60,000. It's Lot 553.



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Ewan McGregor/Charley Boorman planning H-D Livewire Long Way Up tour

Three more Barry Sheene bikes to show at Motorcycle Live 16 - 24/11/2019

Thieves in Dartford, Kent tow away a KTM 125 with a horse, 12/9/2019

Tesla is said to be working on a "one million miles lifetime battery"


Ask the doc: Like a sore thumb (trapeziometacarpal osteoarthritis)

How to load a dirt bike into (sic) a pickup truck


New tech could soon replace conventional helmet liners

South Yorkshire Police recover 204 stolen motorcycles

Exploring the technology behind cornering ABS and traction control


Honda proposes emotion-sensing motorcycle

Does locking your motorcycle make it less likely to be stolen?

Best cheap (125cc) bikes 2019


Visordown's guide to winter riding

Harley-Davidson to lay off staff. 40 to go. Merchandising department


Another fatality in group riding crash
Three die in two NSW motorcycle crashes
Driver free after causing rider death
Fatal crash highlights group riding risk
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1941 Norton 16H


H&H NMM Auction November 2019


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490cc ex-military Norton 16H seeks a new soldier

£7k - £8k is the estimate


Around 100,000 Norton motorcycles were produced for the British military before and during WW2. The Model 16H was the most common (and certainly the best known). The other notable Norton was the Big 4.


The single cylinder sidevalve boasts a displacement of 490cc with a bore of 79mm and a stroke of 100mm. The bike is pretty much built along conventional line and offers much the same thrills and foibles of the rival BSA M20—and adherents of both models routinely argue/discuss which bike was superior in terms of reliability, performance, handling, ease of maintenance, style, etc.


This example (immediately above and below) will be going under the hammer at H&H's next sale at the National Motorcycle Museum, Solihull which is scheduled for 2nd November 2019.


Norton 16H - 1941


The bike, post WW2, was shipped to Greece (where more than a handful of military bikes have washed up, one or two literarily). By the 1980s the bike, we hear, reappeared on a US airbase in Germany, and sometime after that it was shipped to California, USA. Since then, it's been restored and then dry-stored since 2014.


Although the auction listing doesn't specifically say as much, the Norton is probably located right here in the UK—and will be sold (or not) not many miles from where it entered the world.




The registration number is 661 YUJ, which supports the notion that the bike is now registered in the UK. The engine number is W16179. The frame number is W92938. And naturally, the bike will need some commissioning after a five year furlough.


The price is £7,000 - £8,000 which, although perhaps a little on the high side in the current slowing classic market, isn't totally unrealistic for a sorted 16H. The parade ground gloss finish isn't ideal for a military hack, but it doesn't look as if too much effort will be needed to get this motorcycle battle ready on the re-enactment scene if that's your bag.


No lot number has yet been assigned.




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Chester bike dealer Bill Smith raided. Video on Facebook. Can you help?

30,000 Guzzi fans/friends attended Mandello del Lario Open Day 6-8/9/2019

Commons Transport Committee seeks UK pavement (sidewalk) parking ban

2020 Indian Roadmaster Dark Horse engine


2020 Indian Roadmaster Dark Horse engine primary side


2020 Indian Roadmaster Dark Horse

2020 Indian Roadmaster Dark Horse revealed. 116ci Thunder Stroke engine

Survey: "56% of UK drivers avoid/misunderstand Smart M-Way shoulders"

UK bike sales +2.1% year-to-date. August sales -7.2% on August 2018


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Premier Vintage helmet     Premier Vintage crash helmet

          Premier Vintage Jet                            Premier Vintage OP9-BM


Premier Trophy Retro helmet         Premier Trophy helmet


         Premier Trophy Retro                              Premier Trophy BTR



70s style classic helmets from Sump


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Four lids, two open face, two full-face

£279.95 and £299.95


We've been meaning to get around to this for some time. But what with one beer and another we've been putting it off and curling up on the couch and never getting it done. You know how it works.


However, we've finally picked up the business phone and flapped our tongues and made our move, and we've gone and added the above quartet of crash helmets to our modest shop.


And we wish we'd done it sooner.


They're all 70s style lids from Italian firm Premier. That's because the 70s is where we're at, mentally speaking—which isn't to say we don't look beyond that hallowed decade to other eras, motorcycling-wise. Check around these pages and you'll see what we mean. We're nothing if not eclectic.


But if Dr Who landed in the driveway with his TARDIS and offered to whisk us off through the portals of time and all that Einsteinian-gravity-bending- black-hole stuff, we'd politely ask to be dropped off around ... say ... 1973, or 76 or thereabouts.


So if you can relate to these nostalgic whims and wistful caprices, and if you need a new lid (and pretty much everyone needs a new lid), we're inviting you to mosey on down to our online shop and check out these helmets.


Just click on whichever one interests you and listen to out sales pitch, such as it is. Then, if you're persuaded to indulge and kit-up with something new and stylish, reach for your wallet or purse and do what you have to do.


But check sizes carefully—and note that we've included postage costs. However, we're offering these crash helmets to UK customers only. Allow 3 - 5 days for delivery, and if you're not happy with your purchase, send it back in as-new condition with the original packaging, etc. You know the drill.


If it ain't right, it ain't right. We won't quibble.



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Triumph Speed Twin style bobber

Pure Triumph Wellingborough crafted this slightly cheesy Speed Twin lookalike. Not bad from this angle, but side-on it simply lacks the elegance of the original. Still, we'd find a space for it somewhere in the shed. And the name of the bike? A Pure Ed Turner. Nice.


Triumph Bobber Build-Off finalists


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Three UK Triumph dealers battle for the best custom bobber crown

Decision to be announced on 29th September 2019


Back in May 2019 Triumph Motorcycles announced the start of its first UK Bobber Build-Off competition. It happened at the Bike Shed Show, London. Since then, thirteen Triumph dealerships around the country have been busy building, adapting, crafting, colouring, personalising and presenting their respective entrants. And now, following public voting via the Triumph Motorcycles website, the three finalists have been marched to the podium.


These dealers are (in no particular order); Peterborough Triumph, Laguna Ashford, and Pure Triumph Wellingborough. The competition therefore moves on to the next stage with the winner being announced at the Distinguished Gentleman's Ride (DSG) in London on 29th September 2019.



Laguna Ashford took a Thruxton fairing and perched it at the business end of this Bobber and slapped on the livery à la X-75 Hurricane. Confused identity? Maybe. We're not exactly wetting ourselves over this one, but it's easy to be an armchair critic. No doubt the builders worked hard to get this contender into the ring. It's called The Drag Racer, by the way.



Peterborough Triumph took its inspiration from WW2 bombers and fashioned this entrant called BOB-01. It's the most radical of the three finalists. If this doesn't win, we're setting fire to the factory. Be warned.



So okay, it's a bit fussy and wants you to look everywhere at once. But the builders get credit for taking a few chances. Privately, however, we were fairly happy with the Bobber the way Triumph presented it—but that would be missing the point.



All the bikes were built using a mix of off-the-shelf Triumph parts and dealer engineering skills. Public voting ended on 29th August 2019. Triumph Motorcycles, unsurprisingly, is the main sponsor for this year's DSG.




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Met Police: Moped crime in London has more than halved since June 2017

British Dealer News reports rise in motorcycle "bugging device" detectors

Elvis Presley and Harley-Davidson Electra Glide

Elvis's Harley-Davidson Electra Glide (his last bike) sold for $800,000

Jessi Combs, US land-speed racer/TV celeb has crashed and died aged 39

US actor David Hedison (James Bond co-star/Felix Leiter) has died aged 92


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